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Description: Remove both Image:Red copyright.svg and Image:Fair use icon - Book.png and replace with Image:Book copyright icon.svg . I believe this is an uncontroversial change because the old image was tagged to be converted to SVG, and the new vector version I created is easily modifiable. If anyone dislikes the new look, it can be discussed and the image can easily be modified after a discussion takes place. I am also the current creator of the stamp, movie poster, television, and newspaper copyright images, so there will be a greater sense of unity using this image.
Thanks in advance! Tkgd2007 (talk) 03:19, 2 April 2008 (UTC)
Photos For Book Covers Video
Comment
The problems I have with User:UninvitedCompany's revised template are:
- It doesn't specify the need for low res images. This is important because the uploader/tagger needs to see that this is a requirement. The reason for low res is that the images cannot thus contribute to "real world" piracy of this material.
- I think "to illustrate the book in question" is easier to interpret and understand than " for identification and critical commentary on the book and its contents," and would completely include those things under its own definition, but that's just me.
- The location of the servers should be noted and the host (Wikimedia Foundation) should be hard-linked (so that if this text is ported somewhere else, the link will still be valid and it will be clear in what context this was originally written).
- I think a more blanket "Other use" is better than saying "use other than identification", etc., is a bit more to the point and more accurate. Even using it for identification might not fall under "fair use" policy if you are doing it as part of a for-profit service, for example.
Just my thoughts, happy to listen to others though. In my mind, the goal of these tags is to A. help the user understand how these images should be used, ideally (i.e. they should be low-res and used in articles to illustrate the book itself, not just something on the cover), and B. they should make clear the very basic components of our "fair use" rationale (I think linking to a more complete and individualized version would be ideal at some point in the future) so that a potential copyright holder can understand that we understand what we are claiming. --Fastfission 00:40, 1 September 2005 (UTC)
I am not aware of any statute, case law, or legal theory that holds that lower image resolution in any way bolsters a fair use claim. The rationale about contributing to piracy is AFAIK specious, that is, it sounds plausible but has no basis in law.
Fair use law specifically includes criticism but does not specifically include illustration. Therefore, our claim is stronger if we limit our use to criticism.
The purpose of Wikipedia's fair use policy is to permit the content to be reused by for-profit republishers. See the mailing list discussion for more on this. The Uninvited Co., Inc. 16:30, 2 September 2005 (UTC)
- On low resolution:
- On criticism vs illustration: in an encyclopedia, I don't really see what the difference would be in this context. I think putting criticism on a separate rationale page would be great, but for the purposes of a tag (which is in this instance instructing a user how to use it), it will just be confusing.
- I've been an active participant in the mail list, I don't think that's at all the purpose of Wikipedia's fair use policy. Regardless, I'm not sure what you are getting at with this. "Fair use" images on Wikipedia are likely to not be "fair use" when used by for-profit republishers. One of the main reasons for labeling images as "fair use" and doing so appropriately is to make sure that re-publishers don't accidentally commit copyright infringement.
Copyright ownership
The tempalte currently says "...it is most likely owned by the publisher of the book." Most U.S. commercial publishers purchase only a license to use cover art, and the copyright remains with the cover artist. Artists frequeltly publish "collected works" in which mulktiple covers are included, whcih could not be done if the cover copyrights were held by the publisher. i suggest revising this to "...it is most likely owned by the publisher of the book, or by the cover artist." DES (talk) 23:46, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
Question
Can a book cover be cropped and still fall under fair use under this template? savidan(talk) (e@) 06:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
- It depends how much it is cropped and the purpose of the cropping. If it is cropped to the point of no longer being able to tell it is a book (that is, it has become only the photo/illustration on the cover), then no. --Fastfission 12:04, 8 April 2006 (UTC)
The "fair use" agreement allows the use of the image "to illustrate an article discussing the book". Can it also be used for an article discussing the author? If so, can the template be amended to read "to illustrate an article discussing the book or author". -- Tivedshambo (talk) 16:41, 4 August 2006 (UTC)
Back Jacket Cover
- Often, the back jacket cover of book covers will have a photo of the author, along with a biographical description of the author. Would not a low-resolution of these types of images fall under the same fair-use-rationale as that of low-resolution book covers themselves? Thank you for your time, Smeelgova 22:16, 29 September 2006 (UTC).
Acknowledgement of edition/publisher & cover artist
I believe to qualify as fair use we must acknowledge the translator/publisher for the particular edition which the cover is taken from. This is especially the case for older works which may be published by a number of different translations, in a number of different publishers. To use one publisher's copyrighted cover image as representative of the work without explicitly identifying which publisher that is could be viewed as passing-off that publisher's work (i.e. using their cover image to benefit the editions of their competitors) -- and would thus fall outside a strict interpretation of the legal requirements of fair use / fair dealing, and common courtesy besides. We ought to understand fair use as a de minimis exception to the law, and thus even in fair use every right of the author (including moral rights such as acknowledgement) which is not incompatible with said fair use is still binding upon us. Likewise, by the same logic, in the case of cover images, we ought also acknowledge any cover artist acknowledged in that editions' frontmatter. I believe that the template should be ammended to make the aforementioned requirements explicity. --144.136.115.144 09:51, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
- Fair use law only cares if you hurt the market of the publisher of the individual work. It does not care if you hurt the market of a competitor of the publisher of the individual work. All that matters is whether you are edging out the copyright holder in their own market; if you are in fact helping them in their market (by edging out their competitors) it doesn't come into the fair use qualifications at all. --Fastfission 14:06, 8 October 2006 (UTC)
Public domain book covers
This tag specifies that it's providing a fair use assertion for copyrighted book covers, but in fact, there are a number of images tagged with it that are actually in the public domain. For that reason, I've added a sentence clarifying this. Please feel free to reword it, etc., but I think there should be something to that effect in the template. Thanks. Chick Bowen 06:43, 24 December 2006 (UTC)
Image
I think the (C) in the image should be changed to a red C like the one we use for other fair use templates for uniformity purposes. The grey one is too similar to the one we use for PD (except it isn't stroken out). I'll make this change on the commons image if no objections are raised. Yonatan talk 18:07, 19 April 2007 (UTC)
Encouraging fair-use rationales
I have proposed a wording change to our non-free image templates, and I'm trying to keep the discussion centralized here. Please join in the discussion. (ESkog)(Talk) 11:29, 4 May 2007 (UTC)
Request: allow specifying other than umbrella category
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Category:Book covers is incredibly overstuffed. It would certainly benefit from separating into sub-categories, and first attempts have been done, but the template categorizes everything into it automatically, so images have to be added into an additional category manually and the congestion is not helped. Could you change the code so that it allows an optional parameter for category that would be used instead of the default umbrella one? --Malyctenar 10:08, 3 June 2007 (UTC)
I believe the following is the code from the above-mentioned template which allows further categorization.
{{#if:{{{1|}}}| [[Category:{{{1|}}}|{{#if:{{{2|}}}| {{{2|}}}|{{PAGENAME}} }}]]| {{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:6}}|[[Category:Non-free comic images|{{PAGENAME}}]]}}}}</includeonly> <noinclude>
--GentlemanGhost (talk) 22:02, 12 December 2007 (UTC)
Thanks! --GentlemanGhost (talk) 18:34, 15 December 2007 (UTC)
arabic interwiki
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Please add [[ar:????:???? ????]] --TheEgyptian 11:32, 11 June 2007 (UTC)
Other langauge wikipedia
Is the use of these images in other language versions of wikipedia a copyright infringement? Thanks.--Eukesh 16:46, 11 August 2007 (UTC)
Interwiki (ukrainian)
Please add: uk:?????????? ????? --Oleh Kernytskyi 21:58, 29 August 2007 (UTC)
Fair use rationale?
This template is somewhat confusing to folks new to the Wikipedia image policies. On the one hand it states "It is believed that the use of low-resolution images of book covers to illustrate an article discussing the book in question" constitutes "fair use" in the U.S., but on the other hand it instructs the uploader to include a "detailed fair use rationale." One might reasonably believe that no "detailed fair use rationale" would be needed if the image was to be used to illustrate an article on the book, yet certain users (such as Betacommand take the position that the template is insufficient and that the name of the article must be called out and that the uploader must specifically state that it is used in the article. This is likely because automated tagging systems can't figure out if an image of a book cover is being used to illusrate an article about the book.
I propose that the template be altered to allow the uploader to put the name of the book in the template itself, creating a link to the article discussing the book. This should actually make things easier in the long run. Either that, or explain in detail what the uploader is expected to do. Crypticfirefly 19:18, 16 September 2007 (UTC)
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- recatting the images on 1632 series, I noticed quite a few variations after the pipetrick (parameter delimiter, actually) in this template. To wit, some had |Title= name and others just | name. Ooops! Examining the template code I note no use of {{{1}}}, hence I recommend making that parameter have a boolean or capacity:
[[Category:Book covers|<noinclude> </noinclude>{{{Title|{{PAGENAME}}}}}]] [[Category:Book covers|<noinclude> </noinclude>{{{1|{{{title|{{{Title|{{PAGENAME}}}}} }}}}}}]] (change also covers lowercase on title= as well, a likely possibility given the prevalence of all lowercase arguments on templates--people are just not used to using uppercase.)
Cheers! // FrankB 22:40, 12 October 2007 (UTC)
New Template
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I suggested a new appareance of the template {{Non-free book cover}} :
--Strike007 17:57, 23 December 2007 (CET)
What about non-cover images, e.g. pages from books?
What about fair use pictures of books that aren't specifically the cover (e.g. Image:Ecology sample page.JPG? Sometimes using a page from the book is also necessary to write a thorough encyclopedic article about the subject. There doesn't seem to be any available option here. Richard001 (talk) 06:36, 3 May 2008 (UTC)
Question about autobiography covers in articles about their subjects
Should a book cover image be used in an article about a person where the autobiography is mentioned, but not discussed in detail? I'm thinking specifically of the following uses:
- Image:Books Wayne Rooney My Story So Far.jpg in Wayne Rooney
- Image:Gerrard myautobiography.jpeg in Steven Gerrard
It seems that in both cases, the autobiographies are not particularly notable relative to their subjects, and neither article makes more than a mention of the autobios. --Mosmof (talk) 02:24, 16 August 2008 (UTC)
Support plurals, please
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I recommend the text be tweaked to indicate that more than one cover may be pictured, as in Image:Narnia_books.jpg. ~ MD Otley (talk) 01:15, 8 December 2008 (UTC)
Request to add an interwiki
ml:????:Non-free book cover may please be added as an interwiki to this.. --Vssun (talk) 17:26, 30 August 2009 (UTC)
Commons
Maybe should better add: "This file cannot be uploaded on Commons"--Pierpao (talk) 09:01, 14 November 2012 (UTC)
Turkish InterWiki
- Turkish InterWiki link: [[tr:?ablon:Kitap kapa?? adil kullan?m]] Emperyan-message/ileti 21:19, 20 November 2012 (UTC)
Edit request on 17 December 2012
As far as I can tell, the change to this template made by SchuminWeb on November 19 was never discussed, and thus there was no consensus for it established. This makes it a Bold edit. I would like to take the next step in WP:BRD and Revert it, but I cannot, since I am not an admin. Therefore I request that an admin revert SchuminWeb's edit of November 19. Thanks. Beyond My Ken (talk) 23:04, 17 December 2012 (UTC)
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